nidaddy |
topic: A Tattoo Artists Guild.
posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 02:21
In light of tattooings' emergence into mainstream, and the challenges imposed on established and beginning tattoo artists alike by the flood of amateurs, uneducated customers, and equally uninformed or unconcerned representatives of the state and and local health departments, it would seem pertinent to discuss a representative body for professionals in our trade. I've heard the idea of a union for tattooist tossed around, debated until it is agreed that for one reason or several that such an organization would do little if anything to effectively serve the trade.
"What if" a group of say a hundred or so concerned tattooists and shop owners took it upon themselves to begin a trade group or guild, the goal of which would be to address the issues of state regulation that is unfairly harsh to professionals, or not hard enough on scratchers, Public education about safe and professional tattooing, and education of beginners.
I'm not long enough in this thing we do to think I have enough background to know what would or would not be good for our trade, (I dislike the word industry attached to tattooing, I'm working on getting out of the tattoo industry, buying and selling to and from people, not corporate entities.) but I would like to hear what some more seasoned tattooists have to say about this.
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justb |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 06:50
i have been traveling a lot and have seen some real disgusting places...shape up grubbers its for ur own safety... |
justb |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 06:42
i've used dettol for many years for stencil....
tried stencilstuff etc...but always come back to dettol
its used for pre-op skin desinfection so it does make two flies pregnant... :) |
tat2guy99 |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 22:11
don't like it...don't use it. |
maverick41269 |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 03:56
We can't have enough barriers specially in this day an age, bag machines, clipcords, anything you can cover cover it, change gloves as often as desireable,
I use paper plates to attach my ink caps and vaseline to once finished pick up plate straight in bin,
if I need another colour gloves changed then ink poured into cap, people say that there must be a lot of wasted ink but would rather use a large cap and have over than to have to keep re-filling a small cap over and over, |
maverick41269 |
topic: Disposing of Bio-Hazardous waiste
posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 03:47
I take my bio waste into a ocupational nurse, it is always double bagged and disposed of through the local heath authority collection sevice, no point in messing about with bio hazard as we all know it will come back and bite us on the arse if we did |
maverick41269 |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 03:42
Everyone has there own use's for dettol, me personally only use it watered down to clean floors and surfaces, i apply stencils with KY and do the cleaning of the tattoo area before and during with carex anti-bacterial soap with a drop of Savlon for good measure diluted with plenty of H20, cleans up the area a treat and smells good too. |
tat2guy99 |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 13:10
i use stencil stuff...and i like it. it works well. |
tat2guy99 |
topic: Disposing of Bio-Hazardous waiste
posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 13:09
we pay a bio waste company to pick up our trash. |
mystickev |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 20:51
I use barrier film on my clip cord 24" from the machine end, barrier tape on the knob on the eikon unit, but I touch it in the begginning and when I switch to my shader, but usually I break and change gloves too. I bag my wash bottle and my machines, but I actually pour all my inks before starting.
I use vaseline and stick my caps to my plastic on top of glass on my counter....
I don't do the foot switch but then again if I'm geting ink on the floor I'm doing soemthing careless....
The apprentices clean the cans every night before they leave, but I try and keep supermarket plastic bags in there, great way to reuse them.
there are some in this town who don't do any of that and well, we like to call them hacks. Like the idiot who works in a barber shop right out where they cut and shave hair....Cause you know-thats sanitary.lol...
I try to be neat and tidy, but I'm sure there are certain ways I can shore that up even more. |
tattoocurator |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 13:33
Machine bags are controversial as some claim it affects the running of the machine, or cause it to heat up. BS. Is it necessary? If you have ever had to clean pigment from your coils or A bar then you have answered the question. Your eyes are the closest part of your body to the tattoo machine other than your hands. They are also the most sensitive mucus membrane in your body along with your nose and mouth, and as such the most vulnerable to air born contaminates. Why take a chance.
Finally, I change my trash can liner after every tattoo. You can eat out of my trash can after a year of use.
Total cost for all of this prevention? Less than $1. Is the safety of your client, employees or yourself worth gambling on to save $1? If the answer is yes then you have no right to be in this industry.
Now let’s get the discussion started.
Crazy Ace
36 Years in the tattoo industry.
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tattoocurator |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 13:33
I have a sheet of glass over my countertop work space and cover it with barrier film. I also barrier film my light, and power supply control. I place my lubricant, ink caps and materials on this barrier. At the end of the tattoo I simply take a few paper towels, fold them up and put them over the remaining pigment in the caps and roll everything up into the barrier film, which I then place inside my used wash bottle bag and dispose of the whole mess.
In the beginning I wrapped my clipcord in cling wrap, and then discovered poly tubing. I not only use a 24" clipcord barrier at the machine end, I also bag my foot switch cord at the switch so that everything that touches the floor is covered, but as an extra safety precaution I also bag both cords at the power supply outlets. Despite all of this when I wash my cords down at the end of every day with Dettol I am amazed at how much dirt and color can accumulate during the course of a single busy day.
Wash bottle bags are a no brainer unless you are going to change gloves before every wash.
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tattoocurator |
topic: This forum is a great way to exchange ideas
posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 13:32
I have used other forums to discuss everything from proper use of barrier controls to whether or not the wearing of short pants while tattooing is acceptable. Now we have a group specifically to exchange ideas.
I want to start with barrier control.
When I was in the supply business many years ago I sold a line of barrier control products. I sold machine bags. Clip cord covers, wash bottle covers and ink bottle bags. A lot of people laughed at me then, but now it has become industry standards, however a lot of people still fall short of achieving anywhere near a sufficient level of barrier control.
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tattoocurator |
topic: Disposing of Bio-Hazardous waiste
posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:59
Depending on local regs don t even go there. Proper disposal can be very expensive, and could open a new can of worms. There have been recdcomendations that pigment be considered hazardous waste due to heavy metal contents getting into the water supply.
Ace |
dirtyrat |
topic: What was as your first tattoo?
posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:06
this was the first time I ever hit live skin....on my leg ...almost 3 yrs ago .... it was from a art page |
jrock4cmb |
topic: What was as your first tattoo?
posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 20:02
my initials on my arm |
jrock4cmb |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 19:32
i use sergi lube. works pretty damn good. |
dicesuicide |
topic: Disposing of Bio-Hazardous waiste
posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 05:10
What are some of the options out there? |
cozmo840 |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 20:10
back when mr d. vidra was in cleveland i took his course and it was great. now all i have to do through red cross is watch a video. i think everyone needs an extensive course. |
d357r0y |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 19:56
oh shit, i forgot about how good K-Y works. And I love the customers face when they see you bust it out... |
jtucktattoo |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:40
Stencil stuff is good. Takes a minute to get used to and let that shit DRY. But go order it and tell them James Tuck sent ya. BTW, it is more like a lotion, it is NOT speedstick melted in alcohol.
Surgilube is pretty good.
Dettol is the british version of pine-sol. Seriously. Wikipedia that shit and you will see. |
jasonkearns |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:34
I was told surgi-lube works good...never tried it yet. What do you guys think? |
maverick41269 |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 02:22
i know were talking about dettol as a stencil applicator and yer it works well, i found that KY jelly (yes that lubricater) works, goes on easy and holds the stencil really well, apply leave a few seconds until tacky and hey presto,only thing is putting too much on can smudge the transfer but other than that its good,
As for skin wash i use a mixture of Carex antibactial soap and a splash of Savlon liquid mixed with water, works well and smells good too,
As for health and safety all studio's in the UK need to register with their local council and also meet Enviromental Health standards even before a license is issued, failure to comply can result in a big fine and confiscation of all equipment,
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vondiehl |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 15:53
I'm diggin' on Detol... |
brandonpettit |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 21:04
Health Educators is the best by far! |
nidaddy |
topic: finally
posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 19:34
Michigan's Governor just signed in a bill involving state licensing requirements for tattooing. All the usual stuff, plus records for each client. I think they could give a damn about the health issues involved than the duckets they think they have been missing out on. |
yates33 |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 22:53
my two cents...Health Educators (as mentioned) is going to give you 'Industry Specific' training. courses by the Red Cross will satisfy the health dept. but is only geared toward OSHA standards for the occasional accident (hense exposure). It is absolutely better than nothing (proactive as mentioned, even if you take this as a prelude to the Health Educators course), Every step helps understand cross-contamination control and bloodbourne pathogen fundamentals. Health Educators courses can take time waiting for one close enough to attend, but it is worth it. As for yearly updates, it's a good idea. New information and updated laws are usually part of the education and happen regularly, (example) the Red Cross just changed their CPR procedure within the past year |
mystickev |
topic: finally
posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:37
New York State unfortunately is still a free-for-all...Two laws, Must be over 18, and ^You may not tattoo anyone against their will or who is visibly intoxicated...
The Health Dept. comes around once a year and swabs the shop (maybe). But usually they walk in look for the autoclave and the sharps container and walk back out...
I wish we had a bit more regulation, but you know NY- We call every other state backwards but here it still takes 4-6 weeks to get your Drivers license in the mail from the DMV...Retarded politicians... |
mystickev |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:33
I use Dettol for the stencils. few tips onto a towel. Then dab it on till it gets tacky, stick the stencil on and go to town.
As for green soap, I use the watered down green soap, but I throw a capful of witch hazel into it as well....The witch hazel really helps to keep swelling in the area down...
On another group board someone said they added a small amount of Dettol to their green soap but I'm not sure I like that idea... |
myckmcclung |
topic: ?
posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 22:22
appearantly to show conscern on the subject |
holder |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:39
the APT Bloodbourn Pathogen's course and Infection Control are orginized and given by the Health Educators....Kris LaChance and Dave Vidra....artist and piercer have been giving the courses for sometime now.....www.hlthedu.com
but i agree, i think that there should be some regulatory steps taken to ensure that everyone is on the same page. as far as i know south carolina is the only state to require both as well as cpr and first aid before your allowed to legally tattoo in the state. |
holder |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:32
from my understanding stencil stuff is basicly speed stick melted down with some glycern thrown in.... |
inkingyou |
topic: stencil-stuff...?
posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 14:23
ne one use the product just plainly called stencil-stuff.....would like to know b4 i try it out..... |
vondiehl |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 18:20
Nothin' wrong with watered down green soap. Doesn't dry the skin out....not enough alky-hol to do that if you water it down correctly |
ranmaclurkin |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Sun May 27, 2007 08:32
i only use dettol to apply stencils, i love it, i used to use a soapy water mixture but had inconsitant results, straight dettol works everytime for me. |
nidaddy |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Thu May 24, 2007 14:45
I haven't used detol and am now curious.
So far I use uncut green soap to apply stencil, and cut for during the work. I have started rinsing with distilled water after tattooing, with the idea that green soap may be slightly irritating during the first stage of healing. Any thoughts on this? |
leopardprints67 |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Mon May 14, 2007 00:04
Me, either. I've had no problems at all with it.
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catra |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:08
hmmm ill look into that ....i use green soap watered down and have never had the skin dry out. |
catra |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:07
My opinion is this, anything is pro active. Taking a course in depth is best, but if time doesnt permit for you to get to a course, learn as much as you can, from good reliable sources. And get your butt to a good course asap. APT offeres in there office i believe, and lots of conventions. Their site has listings etc etc. :D |
catra |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:04
Go to www.safe-tattoos.com check it out |
lakinicoyote |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Mon May 07, 2007 09:22
I saw that the Red Cross also offers these courses, does anyone have an opinion of that? I would like to take the course/courses/whatever, but I would really like to take the one that offers the greatest amount of education in this area. |
chrisirish |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Thu May 03, 2007 06:05
I usually use techni care opposed to green soap, its cleaner and has no alcohol which dries out the tattooed skin b4 the client ever leaves the shop...It is very expensive though but its worth it as far as the health of the tattoo... |
chrisirish |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Thu May 03, 2007 06:02
How do you find out about taking the course other than at a covention???? |
bluemoontattoo2 |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 23:47
APT was the best bbp I've had by far. Our state now accepts a 30 min. video w/ non-tattoo related info and no test. I think you should have to take an in depth course at least the first time you have it. |
catra |
topic: Bloodbourn pathogen courses
posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 01:43
Question for you all... i get tested reguarly at my shop, started off with APT , PDTT course. I feel its necessary to continue education on a yearly basis, and even go so far as to educate the health board in what a tattoo shop needs in training. What are your thoughts? |
catra |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 01:41
some water down the det, i dont. i use it for stencils but after it get tacky, it also cleanses the skin area as well. I use green soap for washing only before during and after. Watered down some as well. |
tattoocarnival |
topic: dettol usages
posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 16:37
Well I use Dettol for stencils all the time. Can't beat a good bit of dettol. I sue a spray bottle but you need to be a bit careful when applying it to the skin as a) some people with sensitive skin may break out in a reaction so patch test the skin first and b) do what Bill Clinton did and do NOT inhale the atomised spray or it will make you cough your lungs up like a TB patient. That aside, I have never had any problems with it. As a replacement for Green soap, well I wouldn't use it to wash the client down with, put it like that. It's way too strong and stings like a bastard. For irrigating the tattooed area you'd probably be better off with an antibac soap and distilled water mix, heavy on the H2O. If for no other reason than that it's cheaper. Or stick with the green soap, but I would only use the dettol for stencils.
Pete |
bluemoontattoo2 |
topic: finally
posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 21:50
Glad to hear it finally came through. It's so much safer to have it regulated than to have people sneaking around and tring not to get caught. Good luck! |
leopardprints67 |
topic: finally
posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 15:20
This is a great thing to here. About damned time Oklahoma came out of the Dark Ages and joined the rest if us.
Good luck to all of you! |
seandub |
topic: ?
posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 15:33
so what is the purpose of this group if no one is going to post anything? |
